[BMWdav]

This kinda explains it all to me.

I'd rather be ripping up the powder at Copper, riding my mountain bike, hiking the Rockies, having great food and wine with friends, or even playing a few rounds of golf than screw around with intentional time sinks from all the mess created from changing OSs or devices for no productive reason. Yuck. Just no. I've got far better things to do with my time.

..and I want my car to just work when I get in, be predictable and familiar, and give me an enjoyable journey every time. And my i4 does that in spades.

I do things like that as well, although for medical reasons I have to take it more easy these days so I am under stimulated as hell which might be enhancing my already restless nature. But when I was well and had my 19 hours per day awake on average I always said it was hard to fill all the hours of the day without running out of things to do. You learn to invent problems to solve then, better than rolling your thumbs .

 

[BMWdav]

Ummm... yeah... no.

You don't like to believe others have a different experience than you do. But we do. At least I do. I've been in tech for more than 4 decades. I always have the newest devices because lag drives me insane (iPhone 14 Pro, M1 iPad, M1 Pro MacBook, etc.). I don't have significant "lag" in the iDrive menus. There are some UI transition choices which can add animation and other transition activities I find unnecessary (and why I turn some of this off on other OSs).

But, no, iDrive doesn't "stutter" or have other indications of OS context switches or other CPU/memory usage issues.

...and yes, I agree, you're ready for your new Tesla.

I mean in this case I just timed things from many different videos where they did a walkthrough and there were many places where there were delays and there aren't transitional animations there that is the cause. That's the only way to make sure it isn't just my perception doing something, timing things. I have found my car to have that same 1 second delay between pressing climate menu and the climate menu popping up or a slight delay in starting the navigation, sometimes it also adds a delay between pressing the home button and going there.

I did another round of scouring YouTube for videos though and focused on just that thing with the climate menu delay and not everyone had it, on some it was instant, maybe the delay is there only in the cases where the car is still "waking up"? Most of the time my car won't have been used for a week or so when I jump in it so I guess the BMW could be in a deeper sleep mode or just take longer to wake up properly than I am used to.

I am the kind of person that jumps in the car, puts on my seat belt with one hand and pushes the infotainment buttons to enter navigation while starting to drive.

 

[ssh]

I mean in this case I just timed things from many different videos where they did a walkthrough and there were many places where there were delays and there aren't transitional animations there that is the cause. That's the only way to make sure it isn't just my perception doing something, timing things. I have found my car to have that same 1 second delay between pressing climate menu and the climate menu popping up or a slight delay in starting the navigation, sometimes it also adds a delay between pressing the home button and going there.

I did another round of scouring YouTube for videos though and focused on just that thing with the climate menu delay and not everyone had it, on some it was instant, maybe the delay is there only in the cases where the car is still "waking up"? Most of the time my car won't have been used for a week or so when I jump in it so I guess the BMW could be in a deeper sleep mode or just take longer to wake up properly than I am used to.

I am the kind of person that jumps in the car, puts on my seat belt with one hand and pushes the infotainment buttons to enter navigation while starting to drive.

I think this is very likely. Keeping in mind this is a Linux-based system, it makes sense that they have to page in the apps when they are first launched. Once paged in, they likely transition faster until they have to be paged out due to use of other apps. I have no way of knowing how much memory they are using, but Linux is pretty efficient, so they may have felt they don't need a lot.

 

[BMWdav]

I think this is very likely. Keeping in mind this is a Linux-based system, it makes sense that they have to page in the apps when they are first launched. Once paged in, they likely transition faster until they have to be paged out due to use of other apps. I have no way of knowing how much memory they are using, but Linux is pretty efficient, so they may have felt they don't need a lot.

Makes sense, would explain why you can measure a delay in many videos and in my car while it didn't seem to be there in some and for you. You should expect two cars to perform near identical so the load times should be very similar between two cars.

On another note I think I need to apologise for my previous message in this thread when you said your experience did not align with mine. I took it to mean your experience was that there were no delays and not that you actually could time it to be instant. If that sentence doesn't make sense please tell me but it is the best I can do in English right now with my brain fatigue.

The trouble with any sort of discussion like this is that it is hard to know what someone have measured and what they experience. I've had discussions where people claim their Model 3s are as quiet as their BMWs, or that the i4 isn't that much more quiet than the Model 3. While it is hard to measure how we humans will experience the noises (and it is individual how we hear different frequencies) we can at least measure it and say that the i4 is quieter.

Contrary to what your perception of me might be I do try to stick to facts when it comes to things like this, if I say there's a delay I want to be able to show there is one on a recording (like the linked YouTube videos)

While on the subject I might as well apologise for being a bit of a negative nancy here on the forum, I am realising I've been heavily skewed towards the negative lately. Just in that kind of place psychologically right now, but focusing on the negatives isn't really the right way to go about it, should focus on the positive things instead.

 

[ssh]

Nicely done, @BMWdav. Thank you. I'm with you on that. I'll do some testing of delays in the UI later today and see what I can find. I may not see it a lot because I'm most often in CarPlay.

 

[Kingjkv]

Honestly, the new price cut has got me reconsidering my decision. I am currently in-line for an eDrive35 which is scheduled for delivery close to March. However, with the price cut in Canada, the Model 3 RWD is now eligible for the $5000 rebate in Ontario. Comparing the M3 with my current eDrive35 config (Premium enhanced package), the M3 equates to a 12K price discount, which is quite significant for me. Ofcourse I would be missing out on a LOT (build quality, heads up display, ride quality) but the price difference is convincing me otherwise.

Does anyone know if the order deposit is refundable or transferable to someone else?

Hi how do u know ur getting the car in March? I also ordered a edrive35 8 months ago and have 0 updates. Dt know when it's coming.

 

[Techwhiz1]

Yeah the lag clearly didn't stop me from buying the car, nor did the infotainmentsystem that I don't find very modern. But if I could choose I'd rather have a infotainment system that is more modern with no lag than what I have now, which is the whole point of talking about it. Trying to sweep shortcomings under the carpet doesn't improve products for the next generation. That is what I think is the interesting part about forums like these are, talking competition and what should be improved.

What is there to talk about if you are happy with everything? Being content is the most dangerous thing for further progression.

No I think they should do everything they possibly can to fix it. Like I said earlier; profile the code, get rid of polling loops, use software interrupts, etc.

Definitely make it responsive if possible.
But the lag isn't going to stop me from taking delivery.

Once I have the car then I can complain about lag. Mine is still on its way to the port on the other end.

Waiting for my M50......

 

[Variable430]

I do wish Tesla would make a smaller Model S, basically I want the step up in quality, noise and ride from the Model 3 but I don't want such a wide car as the Model S. Would probably buy that instantly since Tesla is a lot more easy to drive and live with, jump in the car and just go somewhere. Don't need to look at a better route planner beforehand and manually enter charging stops in the navigation and so on. If you need a charger you look at the nav in the Tesla instead of taking your phone out and so on.

Tesla doesn’t generate enough revenue or profit to reinvest in new completely updated models. They would do better to focus on build quality and not lying to their customers as a first point of order.

 

[Variable430]

I got my e40 Sunset Orange/cognac in Aug and have put 3500 miles on it, so I’m past the honeymoon period. I mostly love it, but with a few annoyances ( car play not stable, car keeps losing connectivity with phone, location of charging port inconvenient, couple other relatively minor things).

I have to admit that a long-range Model Y would tempt me. Two factors, after the price cut and reinstatement of the tax credit - better storage for my golf clubs and push cart and better charging network. Electrify America does not inspire confidence for going on the road.

If i could sell my car for close to what I paid, i could see making a switch (i’m in northern california). I know that’s a bit “against the grain” here.

They are probably giving teslas away in the Bay Area.

 

[Variable430]

I do wish Tesla would make a smaller Model S, basically I want the step up in quality, noise and ride from the Model 3 but I don't want such a wide car as the Model S. Would probably buy that instantly since Tesla is a lot more easy to drive and live with, jump in the car and just go somewhere. Don't need to look at a better route planner beforehand and manually enter charging stops in the navigation and so on. If you need a charger you look at the nav in the Tesla instead of taking your phone out and so on.

Btw the Model S is a POS compared to the i7 which is basically the Rolls Royce Spectre.

 

[ssh]

I started a dedicated thread on the lagginess: iDrive 8 performance

 

[BMWdav]

Btw the Model S is a POS compared to the i7 which is basically the Rolls Royce Spectre.

Yeah ofc, but the i7 is larger than the Model S and costs a lot more. The S is much closer to the i4 in price although still larger than the i4. My i4 was more or less as much as a Model S, add another $8k and I would have had my Model S.

 

[Techwhiz1]

Yeah ofc, but the i7 is larger than the Model S and costs a lot more. The S is much closer to the i4 in price although still larger than the i4. My i4 was more or less as much as a Model S, add another $8k and I would have had my Model S.

If your i4 was close in price to an S, you still have HUD, leather, laser lights and BMW quality and service.

Waiting for my M50......

 

[BMWdav]

If your i4 was close in price to an S, you still have HUD, leather, laser lights and BMW quality and service.

Waiting for my M50......

Yep agreed, my i4 has all the equipment except for external carbon package. The best ones for me that the Model S doesn't have is the 360 camera (including the front camera) and foldable rear middle seat. But also downsides in comparison to the Model S like shorter range, longer charge times, fewer compatible fast chargers, no blind spot video feed, not as good native support for Spotify/Apple Music/Tidal and so on.

All down to what is most important to you. The point was that when comparing the price the Model S compares better to the i4 than the i7. When comparing size the i4 compares best to the Model 3 which is why I would want a Model S in the size of a Model 3. It would have better quality and noise levels than the Model 3 (but still not i4 level), instrument cluster (which I missed when I went from Model S to Model 3) but still having the Tesla infotainment. Which is why I would want them to build that, doubt they will though since they seem to of the idea that smaller means cheaper.

 

[hanfrac]

If your i4 was close in price to an S, you still have HUD, leather, laser lights and BMW quality and service.

Waiting for my M50......

We all know you are waiting for your M50.....

Question - what do you mean when you reference "BMW service?" Are you saying it's a good thing? I don't know what Tesla service is, but BMW service is pretty hit-or-miss and certainly painful cost-wise for anything not covered by warranty.

 

[Techwhiz1]

We all know you are waiting for your M50.....

Question - what do you mean when you reference "BMW service?" Are you saying it's a good thing? I don't know what Tesla service is, but BMW service is pretty hit-or-miss and certainly painful cost-wise for anything not covered by warranty.

My signature has been "Waiting for my M50" for a year. [emoji23][emoji1787][emoji23][emoji1787][emoji23]

For me BMW service is good vs Tesla.
Currently Tesla give.you Uber or Lyft credit and no loaner. My dealer has never failed to give me a loaner even if it was an old change that was going to take a couple of hours because they were backed up.

Waiting for my M50......

 

[Variable430]

Yep agreed, my i4 has all the equipment except for external carbon package. The best ones for me that the Model S doesn't have is the 360 camera (including the front camera) and foldable rear middle seat. But also downsides in comparison to the Model S like shorter range, longer charge times, fewer compatible fast chargers, no blind spot video feed, not as good native support for Spotify/Apple Music/Tidal and so on.

All down to what is most important to you. The point was that when comparing the price the Model S compares better to the i4 than the i7. When comparing size the i4 compares best to the Model 3 which is why I would want a Model S in the size of a Model 3. It would have better quality and noise levels than the Model 3 (but still not i4 level), instrument cluster (which I missed when I went from Model S to Model 3) but still having the Tesla infotainment. Which is why I would want them to build that, doubt they will though since they seem to of the idea that smaller means cheaper.

Sounds like an i5 is your sweet spot

 

[BMWdav]

Sounds like an i5 is your sweet spot

I mean the only things I don't like with the i4 have to do with the infotainment/software situation and things having to do with it not being a ground up EV platform (like space utilisation and floor hump in the rear) so not sure an i5 would solve that.

 

[Jurgen W]

I mean the only things I don't like with the i4 have to do with the infotainment/software situation and things having to do with it not being a ground up EV platform (like space utilisation and floor hump in the rear) so not sure an i5 would solve that.

I actually don’t mind the hump, I’m not a rear driver so don’t really have much of a problem. That said, even if there wasn’t a hump, who would sit in the middle seat anyway, it’s so cramped already. Software, yeah it’s kinda not as smooth, and BMW, would do better to hire more software guys to figure out better updates with all users to fix whatever problems the car may seem to have.

 

[Techwhiz1]

I actually don’t mind the hump, I’m not a rear driver so don’t really have much of a problem. That said, even if there wasn’t a hump, who would sit in the middle seat anyway, it’s so cramped already. Software, yeah it’s kinda not as smooth, and BMW, would do better to hire more software guys to figure out better updates with all users to fix whatever problems the car may seem to have.

The hump doesn't bother me either.
I'm not riding back there and rarely would I have three in the back anyway. The middle seat is not a comfortable seat anyway.

Waiting for my M50......