Probably won’t apply to the current i4 but maybe we’ll see this in future models (LCI?).
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buy an i7 2022 or later with the Amazon Fire TV Theatre Screen and you will get all Apps.
Or a BMW with OS9 and the App Store.
That’s not Plug&Charge. That’s AutoCharge. Plug&Charge is better in a number of ways.
BMW have said it's coming to all Linux based cars so that'll be us. New cars using idrive 9 are using Android.
@thecremeegg Not sure if trolling or not, but I guess so?
There literally no single way that OS8.5 will officially come to a 22 i4. BMW have said exactly which i4s will get it and which cars in general will get it via OTA, and - spoiler alert - the i4 will not be getting it via OTA, only from production 7/23+
There literally no single way that OS8.5 will officially come to a 22 i4. BMW have said exactly which i4s will get it and which cars in general will get it via OTA, and - spoiler alert - the i4 will not be getting it via OTA, only from production 7/23+
I mean we could hope that with enough noise BMW will change their mind but they seem kind of decided to keep doing what they’ve always done, arbitrarily lock things to new sales instead of supporting already sold cars.
If you want to split hairs: They never said it would come to existing Linux-based cars.
As much as I wish they would do it - nothing right now indicates that they are planning to update cars built before the communicated dates. Nevertheless, I will bug the person person at BMW Welt about it when I pick up my car at the end of June. At least they'll have my feedback.
To split even more hairs: Android is technically also based on Linux, but that's not really relevant to this discussion. ;^)
That is technically true, however there is no reason they wouldn't bring it out, plus it's called 8.5 not 9, it's an upgrade, it'll come to existing cars I'll put money on itIf you want to split hairs: They never said it would come to existing Linux-based cars.
As much as I wish they would do it - nothing right now indicates that they are planning to update cars built before the communicated dates. Nevertheless, I will bug the person person at BMW Welt about it when I pick up my car at the end of June. At least they'll have my feedback.
To split even more hairs: Android is technically also based on Linux, but that's not really relevant to this discussion. ;^)
Quote from official BMW NA:
BMW Presents the New BMW iDrive.
Woodcliff Lake, NJ – March 8, 2023…Today, BMW presents the next stage of development of BMW iDrive. A new home screen with clearly arranged functions offers greater ease of use on the BMW Curved Display. The system’s QuickSelect concept brings an improved menu structure that takes its design...
“The new BMW Operating System 8.5 will be introduced incrementally – either in production or via a remote software upgrade in certain vehicles already running Operating System 8 – in the following models beginning in the summer of 2023:
BMW 7 Series
BMW iX
BMW i4
BMW X5
BMW X6
BMW X7
BMW XM”
Ok so how do we do this @thecremeegg? How much money do you want to put on it?
Even in your last quote it says that it will come "via a remote software ugprade in certain vehicles already running Operating System 8", which is then made clear in the latest press article, which says: "Other cars that can be updated to BMW Operating System 8.5 at a later stage via Remote Software Upgrade: BMW 7 Series from production 07/22; BMW iX from production 03/23; BMW X5, BMW X6, BMW X7. BMW XM, BMW X5 M, BMW X6 M from production 04/23." This article also says this: "Ex factory: BMW 7 Series, BMW iX, BMW i4 from production 07/23; BMW X5, BMW X6, BMW X7. BMW XM, BMW X5 M, BMW X6 M from production 08/23. "
source: BMW model update measures for summer 2023.
I'm not sure how else you would want them to express that OS8.5 is not coming to i4s before 7/23. They're literally listing all the models that will get it ex factory, and then listing all the models that will get it as an upgrade. They only way to make it clearer would be to make an own article just saying "No i4 before 7/23 will ever officially get OS8.5", but why would they do that, if they're actually providing the necessary information already.
Surely you can try to talk to management, write letters, beg your dealers and maybe, just maybe, BMW will actually change their minds and create a subversion of 8.5 (something like 8.4) which will then be compatible with MGU21 or something, but I'm pretty sure that there's a better chance to get OS8.5 with a hardware upgrade.
Even in your last quote it says that it will come "via a remote software ugprade in certain vehicles already running Operating System 8", which is then made clear in the latest press article, which says: "Other cars that can be updated to BMW Operating System 8.5 at a later stage via Remote Software Upgrade: BMW 7 Series from production 07/22; BMW iX from production 03/23; BMW X5, BMW X6, BMW X7. BMW XM, BMW X5 M, BMW X6 M from production 04/23." This article also says this: "Ex factory: BMW 7 Series, BMW iX, BMW i4 from production 07/23; BMW X5, BMW X6, BMW X7. BMW XM, BMW X5 M, BMW X6 M from production 08/23. "
source: BMW model update measures for summer 2023.
I'm not sure how else you would want them to express that OS8.5 is not coming to i4s before 7/23. They're literally listing all the models that will get it ex factory, and then listing all the models that will get it as an upgrade. They only way to make it clearer would be to make an own article just saying "No i4 before 7/23 will ever officially get OS8.5", but why would they do that, if they're actually providing the necessary information already.
Surely you can try to talk to management, write letters, beg your dealers and maybe, just maybe, BMW will actually change their minds and create a subversion of 8.5 (something like 8.4) which will then be compatible with MGU21 or something, but I'm pretty sure that there's a better chance to get OS8.5 with a hardware upgrade.
Again, I hope you're right because I honestly don't see any technical reason why they couldn't do it for existing models. There are other, financial reasons though - more QA and possibly certification effort, as well as higher development costs (like potentially having to disable certain features that are unavailable on older hardware for example).That is technically true, however there is no reason they wouldn't bring it out, plus it's called 8.5 not 9, it's an upgrade, it'll come to existing cars I'll put money on it
But in the end, it's all a question of strategy, and that's where I see BMW still stuck in the past sadly.
I was quite optimistic when the i4 and iDrive 8 got announced because it seemed like the new system would also come with a modernization of their general software strategy, but here we are...
As I said, my car will have a 06/2023 build date (after a 16 month wait, including a price increase in-between even).
BMW has announced iDrive 8.5 half a year before my car is even getting built, yet they won't offer an update for it. Feels more like the software strategy of a washing machine maker sadly, not a self-proclaimed high-tech company.
(and before anybody chimes in: This is not about any specific features or about liking 8.0 better than 8.5 - it's more about customer expectations and customer experience in 2023).
Yes, upgrades are available to certain models, like the iX from 03/2023 onward. However, for the i4 they say 07/2023 onward, sadly.Quote from official BMW NA:
BMW Presents the New BMW iDrive.
Woodcliff Lake, NJ – March 8, 2023…Today, BMW presents the next stage of development of BMW iDrive. A new home screen with clearly arranged functions offers greater ease of use on the BMW Curved Display. The system’s QuickSelect concept brings an improved menu structure that takes its design...www.press.bmwgroup.com
Here's there detailled breakdown (english FAQ doesn't seem to be updated yet):
BMW Germany
Google translate: BMW Germany
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The technical reason is a hardware change, from what I understand from other posts.Again, I hope you're right because I honestly don't see any technical reason why they couldn't do it for existing models. There are other, financial reasons though - more QA and possibly certification effort, as well as higher development costs (like potentially having to disable certain features that are unavailable on older hardware for example).
But in the end, it's all a question of strategy, and that's where I see BMW still stuck in the past sadly.
I was quite optimistic when the i4 and iDrive 8 got announced because it seemed like the new system would also come with a modernization of their general software strategy, but here we are...
As I said, my car will have a 06/2023 build date (after a 16 month wait, including a price increase in-between even).
BMW has announced iDrive 8.5 half a year before my car is even getting built, yet they won't offer an update for it. Feels more like the software strategy of a washing machine maker sadly, not a self-proclaimed high-tech company.
(and before anybody chimes in: This is not about any specific features or about liking 8.0 better than 8.5 - it's more about customer expectations and customer experience in 2023).
Yes, upgrades are available to certain models, like the iX from 03/2023 onward. However, for the i4 they say 07/2023 onward, sadly.
Here's there detailled breakdown (english FAQ doesn't seem to be updated yet):
BMW Germany
faq.bmw.de
Google translate: BMW Germany
That isn’t the reason they aren’t giving us the update, that is the reason why giving us the update would cost them more dev time. They are just making a choice here on wether or not they want to have their cars go legacy after less than 2 years.
And none of the user-facing features of iDrive 8.5 presented to the press so far look like they couldn't run on existing hardware as well.
There is no magic in all of this. iDrive 8.5 is mostly a UI update for the existing underpinnings, unlike iDrive 9 - which is essentially the exact opposite: A big change under the hood with mostly the same UI.
I don't give two hoots about 8.5 as it looks a downgrade imo, but I'm still sure we'll get itOk so how do we do this @thecremeegg? How much money do you want to put on it?
Even in your last quote it says that it will come "via a remote software ugprade in certain vehicles already running Operating System 8", which is then made clear in the latest press article, which says: "Other cars that can be updated to BMW Operating System 8.5 at a later stage via Remote Software Upgrade: BMW 7 Series from production 07/22; BMW iX from production 03/23; BMW X5, BMW X6, BMW X7. BMW XM, BMW X5 M, BMW X6 M from production 04/23." This article also says this: "Ex factory: BMW 7 Series, BMW iX, BMW i4 from production 07/23; BMW X5, BMW X6, BMW X7. BMW XM, BMW X5 M, BMW X6 M from production 08/23. "
source: BMW model update measures for summer 2023.
I'm not sure how else you would want them to express that OS8.5 is not coming to i4s before 7/23. They're literally listing all the models that will get it ex factory, and then listing all the models that will get it as an upgrade. They only way to make it clearer would be to make an own article just saying "No i4 before 7/23 will ever officially get OS8.5", but why would they do that, if they're actually providing the necessary information already.
Surely you can try to talk to management, write letters, beg your dealers and maybe, just maybe, BMW will actually change their minds and create a subversion of 8.5 (something like 8.4) which will then be compatible with MGU21 or something, but I'm pretty sure that there's a better chance to get OS8.5 with a hardware upgrade.
Hello,
I've seen on BMW X5 LCI forum that new LCI model post april build receive the MGU21A model, someone with production from post 04/23 can view his model of HUH4 is installed onboard:
Go to "Displays" App -> Control Display -> System Settings -> Regulatory Notes -> Head Unit. That should show you the model numbers.
I've seen on BMW X5 LCI forum that new LCI model post april build receive the MGU21A model, someone with production from post 04/23 can view his model of HUH4 is installed onboard:
Go to "Displays" App -> Control Display -> System Settings -> Regulatory Notes -> Head Unit. That should show you the model numbers.
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