[A_Camera]

With Active Driving Assistant Plus A.K.A. Traffic Jam Assistant (TJA) feature that comes with DAPP in the US, you can have hands free driving up to 40mph in the i4, up to 85mph in the i5 and others.

This is not hearsay or rumor so please do not refer it as so again. This has been the same in the US since iDrive7 vehicles.

I never said it was hearsay. Only that I get contradicting information. Anyway, the plus mode contains more than the self driving, and none of them are available here.

This is what I was referring to when I said contradicting information: https://www.pacificbmw.com/how-the-bmw-active-lane-keeping-and-traffic-jam-assistant-works/

BMW Traffic Jam Assistant

The BMW Traffic Jam Assistant helps you maintain control of your vehicle in driving conditions where routine tasks are necessary but it’s hard to stay focused on the road, like in a traffic jam. This system can help you keep tabs on the car in front of you from inside your BMW at speeds up to 40 MPH. It is worth noting that the BMW Traffic Jam Assistant is a hands-on program, which means you must keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times for it to work.

Perhaps they should have mentioned that it is a regulation in USA, not a requirement from the car functionality perspective. Anyway, personally I think it's a good idea to keep your hands on the steering wheel, even if not required by the car.

 

[ssh]

See Assisted Driving Plus in the manual.

 

[A_Camera]

See Assisted Driving Plus in the manual.

I did read the manual and concluded several times that it contains more than one incorrect information about the i4. Anyway, all I am saying is that some users (like yourself) saying that you can let the steering wheel go as long as certain criteria is met, others says that you must keep your hands on the wheel, but in any case, I never heard about anyone in Europe having access to PLUS functions. I have no idea how it is in Holland, but I am sure every dealer knows that so it's easy to find out. All I know, as I said before, is that it is not enabled in my car. I forgot to try in Germany when I was there, and it will take another few months before I will be there again, but the function is described in my Swedish manual also and it says the same as the English one, which is the same as you are saying about the TJA.

 

[Danny]

I did read the manual and concluded several times that it contains more than one incorrect information about the i4. Anyway, all I am saying is that some users (like yourself) saying that you can let the steering wheel go as long as certain criteria is met, others says that you must keep your hands on the wheel, but in any case, I never heard about anyone in Europe having access to PLUS functions. I have no idea how it is in Holland, but I am sure every dealer knows that so it's easy to find out. All I know, as I said before, is that it is not enabled in my car. I forgot to try in Germany when I was there, and it will take another few months before I will be there again, but the function is described in my Swedish manual also and it says the same as the English one, which is the same as you are saying about the TJA.

As I mentioned in my post before, I did try this "Assisted driving plus" function with my i4 (with all options from Personal CoPilot Pack) in countries NL,BE,FR and DE and unfortunately it did not work. In the BMW iX it did work in FR, but not in NL,BE,DE. In the iX you see the "Driving Assistance Plus" light up, which option seems lacking in the menu of the i4 in these countries. In heavy traffic the iX would drive without hands for several minutes as long I kept my eyes on the road in front of me. I already confronted the BMW genius with the manual, but he was not able to help me any further. Since the car is capable of this function, my hope was that it would be enabled in the future.

 

[niam]

Not that simple. I have DAPP and it is not working in Sweden. Several functions are disabled in Sweden but enabled as soon as I enter Germany. The car knows where it is and it disables / enables according to the region, assuming you enabled those functions in your setting. We are not talking about Stop and Go functions here, that is something different and that works of course in every car if you have DAPP.

Do you actually have a car with DAPP and it is working in Italy without any limitations???

For me it works… It is not assist plus, since the green led lights do not turn on. If you drive in a queue and the car in front comes to a standstill, also the i4 stops. if he queue moves also the i4 starts again stops again, and so on all this without touching the steering wheel.
Two requirements:

• it’s up to 20km, if you go over 20 km you have to keep your hands on the steering wheel
• the driver attention camera has to see your eyes. otherwise the car will not move and emit a bip sound…

 

[DubbeleP]

For me it works… It is not assist plus, since the green led lights do not turn on. If you drive in a queue and the car in front comes to a standstill, also the i4 stops. if he queue moves also the i4 starts again stops again, and so on all this without touching the steering wheel.
Two requirements:

• it’s up to 20km, if you go over 20 km you have to keep your hands on the steering wheel
• the driver attention camera has to see your eyes. otherwise the car will not move and emit a bip sound…

I've yet to try this extensively, but on the few traffic jams I've had so far, I think this is the case for me too. It seems to work better and more than I expected after this topic.

 

[A_Camera]

For me it works… It is not assist plus, since the green led lights do not turn on. If you drive in a queue and the car in front comes to a standstill, also the i4 stops. if he queue moves also the i4 starts again stops again, and so on all this without touching the steering wheel.
Two requirements:

• it’s up to 20km, if you go over 20 km you have to keep your hands on the steering wheel
• the driver attention camera has to see your eyes. otherwise the car will not move and emit a bip sound…

Ok. To be clear, this works perfectly in my car also between 0 and 180km/h. It is part of DAPP. I have never tried handsfree driving below 20km/h, I will try next time I have the opportunity to try it. Yes, the driver attention camera must see you, even for other assistance functions. The Plus function is something else. That is not working here.

 

[Danny]

According to the i4 manual it is an assisted driving mode plus function and should work until 60 km/hr. In the iX this was my exact experience. My experience in the i4 is unfortunately that is does not work, and we do not have the option to turn the plus function on. I also noticed under 20 km/hr it takes a bit longer, sometimes minutes, but ultimately still requires hands on the wheel. Very different from iX. I also cannot find anything about 20km/hr in the manual.

 

[ssh]

According to the i4 manual it is an assisted driving mode plus function and should work until 60 km/hr. In the iX this was my exact experience. My experience in the i4 is unfortunately that is does not work, and we do not have the option to turn the plus function on. I also noticed under 20 km/hr it takes a bit longer, sometimes minutes, but ultimately still requires hands on the wheel. Very different from iX. I also cannot find anything about 20km/hr in the manual.

We're talking about two different things.

Apparently, at least in some regions, the car will drive without a hand on the steering wheel below 20km/hr (12mi/hr) even when not in Plus. I have not tested this in my car in the US.

 

[niam]

We're talking about two different things.

Apparently, at least in some regions, the car will drive without a hand on the steering wheel below 20km/hr (12mi/hr) even when not in Plus. I have not tested this in my car in the US.

Test it in queue with up to 7 - 10 km/h (4 to 6 mi/h). You will see it works…, it must really be a stop and go. The first time i tried it was passing the boarder with Switzerland. (Half an hour to pass the border)
It worked.

 

[cruzer666]

Test it in queue with up to 7 - 10 km/h (4 to 6 mi/h). You will see it works…, it must really be a stop and go. The first time i tried it was passing the boarder with Switzerland. (Half an hour to pass the border)
It worked.

I can confirm, if you’re REALLY going slow regular ACC (not Plus enabled) won’t require hands on steering wheel. No green LEDs like in Plus turn on, on the steering wheel when this happens, it just doesn’t complain if you don’t have hands on the steering wheel.

 

[kwispel]

My DAPP works just fine (NL, DE, FR, BE until now) - I use it practically all the time.

 

[DubbeleP]

My DAPP works just fine (NL, DE, FR, BE until now) - I use it practically all the time.

Do you have green lights on the steering wheel? Do you need to touch the wheel?

Greetings from a fellow Haarlemmer!

 

[kwispel]

Do you have green lights on the steering wheel? Do you need to touch the wheel?

Yes. Switchable between active cruise control and lane keeping.

Yes and no. You can just shove your knee against the steering wheel and it will keep driving without nagging you. Already 10k on the meter.

Leuk!

 

[Danny]

Hi @kwispel, for your reference the following video is what we mean and which is available with i4 in US (and with iX in FR). It starts at 13.50 mark:

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