[ssh]

The only difference between the various modes is how recuperative braking is applied, now how much recuperation you get. B mode applies it the moment you remove pressure from the motor control pedal, and it applies maximum recuperative braking with pressure removed. In D mode, you have up to 4 options for how it's applied:

Adaptive = 0 recuperative braking
Low
Medium
High

And High is less than is applied in B mode.

However, as you press the brake pedal in D mode, the car applies recuperative braking up to the maximum. If that's insufficient, it will blend in friction braking.

Regardless of the setting, you get the same recuperative braking for the same braking force applied in any of the modes.

 

[mgroeneweg]

Actually, adaptive can brake using regen. I prefer B mode but when I first got the car I tried D with adaptive. Adaptive estimates the amount of regen you need for the situation. It does a pretty good job. If you exit the highway, it will regen only a little. If you come up a traffic light and there is a car slowing down or already stopped, it will regen much more.

 

[yobro 24]

Jeez, we go round and round on this one. People just don't understand blended brakes.

 

[ssh]

Actually, adaptive can brake using regen. I prefer B mode but when I first got the car I tried D with adaptive. Adaptive estimates the amount of regen you need for the situation. It does a pretty good job. If you exit the highway, it will regen only a little. If you come up a traffic light and there is a car slowing down or already stopped, it will regen much more.

Adaptive does not use recuperative braking unless there is a reason to slow down that it senses (like that car you mention) or you press the brake pedal. I don't believe simply exiting a highway will cause recuperative braking.

 

[WhippetMcG]

Hi - I have posted here earlier in the thread. I now have i4 eDrive 40. Picked on NYE December 2022. Fully charged. Little driving due to weather and work. Just put the car on overnight charge. I have a couple of questions.

For UK folks - I noted there is an AC limit set on the car @ 6 amps. This is how it came. You can opt to change it. I have a Ohme domestic charger and am thinking this needs to be changed. I am reticent to change anything as my Kia EV requires not changing setting other than % charge. Basically plug and play. Ladies / Gents in the UK - do I need to change anything? (See uploaded photo)

Secondly, and sorry this is back to the GOM issue. I have only done circa 150 miles so far and the miles per kWh are still much lower than I get from my Kia eNiro. We are talking i4 around 2.2 ish and Kia typically around 3.4. I drive very moderately. I have just put the i4 on first charge and I am at 30% / 65 miles and when charged to 80% tomorrow morning I will have 169 miles. I cannot explain how crap this is. I bought the car primarily for range and drive quality over every other EV I test drove and researched - Tesla, VW, Mustang, Skoda etc. I am hoping this is just the car learning my driving style and not having enough on the clock to be accurate. Also the temperature too. I just cannot stomach that 80% of Kia 64 kW battery gives more miles than 80% of i4 80 kw battery (usable of 85 kW). (See uploaded photo)

@ssh - wondering what insights you have Sir as you seem to be the voice of reason, calm and knowledge on this topic.

Look forward to your input.

 

[chipset]

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Hi - I have posted here earlier in the thread. I now have i4 eDrive 40. Picked on NYE December 2022. Fully charged. Little driving due to weather and work. Just put the car on overnight charge. I have a couple of questions.

For UK folks - I noted there is an AC limit set on the car @ 6 amps. This is how it came. You can opt to change it. I have a Ohme domestic charger and am thinking this needs to be changed. I am reticent to change anything as my Kia EV requires not changing setting other than % charge. Basically plug and play. Ladies / Gents in the UK - do I need to change anything? (See uploaded photo)

Secondly, and sorry this is back to the GOM issue. I have only done circa 150 miles so far and the miles per kWh are still much lower than I get from my Kia eNiro. We are talking i4 around 2.2 ish and Kia typically around 3.4. I drive very moderately. I have just put the i4 on first charge and I am at 30% / 65 miles and when charged to 80% tomorrow morning I will have 169 miles. I cannot explain how crap this is. I bought the car primarily for range and drive quality over every other EV I test drove and researched - Tesla, VW, Mustang, Skoda etc. I am hoping this is just the car learning my driving style and not having enough on the clock to be accurate. Also the temperature too. I just cannot stomach that 80% of Kia 64 kW battery gives more miles than 80% of i4 80 kw battery (usable of 85 kW). (See uploaded photo)

@ssh - wondering what insights you have Sir as you seem to be the voice of reason, calm and knowledge on this topic.

Look forward to your input.

Your AC Limit seems to be turned off. I would check your charging source.

 

[ssh]

Hi - I have posted here earlier in the thread. I now have i4 eDrive 40. Picked on NYE December 2022. Fully charged. Little driving due to weather and work. Just put the car on overnight charge. I have a couple of questions.

For UK folks - I noted there is an AC limit set on the car @ 6 amps. This is how it came. You can opt to change it. I have a Ohme domestic charger and am thinking this needs to be changed. I am reticent to change anything as my Kia EV requires not changing setting other than % charge. Basically plug and play. Ladies / Gents in the UK - do I need to change anything? (See uploaded photo)

Secondly, and sorry this is back to the GOM issue. I have only done circa 150 miles so far and the miles per kWh are still much lower than I get from my Kia eNiro. We are talking i4 around 2.2 ish and Kia typically around 3.4. I drive very moderately. I have just put the i4 on first charge and I am at 30% / 65 miles and when charged to 80% tomorrow morning I will have 169 miles. I cannot explain how crap this is. I bought the car primarily for range and drive quality over every other EV I test drove and researched - Tesla, VW, Mustang, Skoda etc. I am hoping this is just the car learning my driving style and not having enough on the clock to be accurate. Also the temperature too. I just cannot stomach that 80% of Kia 64 kW battery gives more miles than 80% of i4 80 kw battery (usable of 85 kW). (See uploaded photo)

@ssh - wondering what insights you have Sir as you seem to be the voice of reason, calm and knowledge on this topic.

Look forward to your input.

Turn off the limit (make it Unlimited).

When you say the mi/kWh are 2.2, do you mean while driving or that's what your trip data says? My observation is that short journeys often have higher consumption than longer journeys, and that especially with low temps, preconditioning matters. With only 150 miles on the car, I expect both of these are coming into play.

Care to share the trip data you have so far?

 

[WhippetMcG]

Turn off the limit (make it Unlimited).

When you say the mi/kWh are 2.2, do you mean while driving or that's what your trip data says? My observation is that short journeys often have higher consumption than longer journeys, and that especially with low temps, preconditioning matters. With only 150 miles on the car, I expect both of these are coming into play.

Care to share the trip data you have so far?

ssh I will be back on this tomorrow.

 

[Variable430]

Ok.. so what else can possibly be ‘factored in’? I drive like a dick, and my range goes down. I drive smoothly and it goes up…

I’m in the former category

 

[WhippetMcG]

ssh I will be back on this tomorrow.

The trip data on the car screen. It now says 2.6 since factory and 2.6 since individual (31.12.22 - I collected the car 31st December).
The app for January which is pretty much all the driving who's an average of 31.2kWh / 100miles so 3.2 m/kWh.
I drove yesterday and the on screen m/kWh was around 3.4.
It just beats me why the car screen shows 2.6 and is adjusting very very slowly but i my case we have another EV that already has an established and proven indicator of what I get per m per kWh in range. Also the BMW app seems to give a different (more accurate) reading.
Photos attached.
I have used a Kia for the last 3 years and never use any pre-conditioning (cabin) unless I am super organised or on a long trip. When you put on aircon / heating the screen immediately adjust the expected miles. The reduction varies on outside temp so it takes off between 5 and 15 miles of anticipated range.
I am going to check the trip data in the Kia so I can see what the rotor is for short journeys. I don't look at it all the time but it is typically 3 to 3.4. When you should down the car the dash gives you a trip summary and shows the m / kWh.
Regards,
C.

 

[ssh]

Yeah, I think you're in the "out algorithm doesn't work well early in the life" phase of the i4. I'm not saying it's right, but this seems common. I encourage you to give it a couple of months. 3.4 is decent consumption, giving you a 270 mile or so range.

 

[WhippetMcG]

Yeah, I think you're in the "out algorithm doesn't work well early in the life" phase of the i4. I'm not saying it's right, but this seems common. I encourage you to give it a couple of months. 3.4 is decent consumption, giving you a 270 mile or so range.

Thanks ssh. As a matter of interest what are you typically seeing now in your M50.
I will give it a coupe of months as you suggested in another post, that is my plan.
I am seeing the dealer this week to chat about a few things and asked for the Tech Head I can email / chat to. If I don't get any sense there I will email the UK CEO and ask for some clarity. I think this is too messy and more messy than it needs to be. It is great that the community is hands and helping each other out but the manufacturer needs to step up. Not sure what dealers are saying rates side?

 

[ssh]

Thanks ssh. As a matter of interest what are you typically seeing now in your M50.
I will give it a coupe of months as you suggested in another post, that is my plan.
I am seeing the dealer this week to chat about a few things and asked for the Tech Head I can email / chat to. If I don't get any sense there I will email the UK CEO and ask for some clarity. I think this is too messy and more messy than it needs to be. It is great that the community is hands and helping each other out but the manufacturer needs to step up. Not sure what dealers are saying rates side?

I'm just under 3 mi/kWh (like 2.8/2.9) lifetime. My mountian trips are fascinating, since they go from 2.2 or so on the uphill journey to 4 or so coming home.

 

[WhippetMcG]

I'm just under 3 mi/kWh (like 2.8/2.9) lifetime. My mountian trips are fascinating, since they go from 2.2 or so on the uphill journey to 4 or so coming home.

Yes the region coming down must be amazing in your mountains . I live in a rolling hills part of the Uk bit nothing like you guys ever there. But one one relatively short but steep drop I can add 3 to 4 miles on the Kia. I am not sure if you can see what is being regent's on the i4 when you are driving.

 

[ssh]

Yes the region coming down must be amazing in your mountains . I live in a rolling hills part of the Uk bit nothing like you guys ever there. But one one relatively short but steep drop I can add 3 to 4 miles on the Kia. I am not sure if you can see what is being regent's on the i4 when you are driving.

Absolutely! There's a lot of recuperation on the way home. From Copper (9,600') I climb to the tunnel (11,500') and then over the next 45 miles drop to 5,200'.

 

[WhippetMcG]

Absolutely! There's a lot of recuperation on the way home. From Copper (9,600') I climb to the tunnel (11,500') and then over the next 45 miles drop to 5,200'.

Wow. Amazing.
Is there any oxygen up there?!😃😆

 

[ssh]

Wow. Amazing.
Is there any oxygen up there?!😃😆

Not a lot!

 

[WhippetMcG]

Not a lot!

 

[J_P]

Is there any oxygen up there?!😃😆

You don't need oxygen for an EV 😉

...oh and @ssh, hadn't you already guessed he's a bot. A human could not post as much as he does 😁

 

[WhippetMcG]

You don't need oxygen for an EV 😉

...oh and @ssh, hadn't you already guessed he's a bot. A human could not post as much as he does 😁