[toddggg]

At least it supports our firm belief that BMW dealers are The Authority on all trustworthy information related to EVs.

Right?

 

[clint.owen]

As of last night, the BMW website still says that Supercharger access is coming later in 2025.

 

[F1Geek]

As of last night, the BMW website still says that Supercharger access is coming later in 2025.

I suspect it has been saying that for nearly a year.

 

[cruzer666]

I suspect it has been saying that for nearly a year.

It costs too much to change it

 

[rollermonkey]

We haven't even entered the last quarter of 2025. There's still plenty of later to go.

An Xmas announcement, then live on 30 December would still be late 2025.

I've still got my money on Octember 43rd, though.

 

[I4Man]

Is BMW going to give these chargers to people when available or gauge us for them?

 

[Jonathan S.]

Is BMW going to give these chargers to people when available or gauge us for them?

I doubt they’ll be free, but it’s a competitive marketplace for adapters.
For example, the Porsche adapter is just this:

Lectron NACS to CCS Adapter with Interlock | Vortex Plus | 500A | 1,000V | UL 2252 Certified | Compatible with Tesla Superchargers

*SHIPS WITHIN 1 - 2 WORKING DAYS ACCESS TESLA SUPERCHARGERS NATIONWIDE - Unlock 23,500+ V3 and V4 Tesla Superchargers. This NACS to CCS adapter enables non-Tesla EVs with Supercharger access to easily connect to the Tesla fast charging network FIRST UL 2252 CERTIFIED ADAPTER - The Vortex Plus is...

ev-lectron.com

… but with a Porsche logo.
Porsche charges $185 for owners of pre-2024 Taycans.
If you buy it directly from Lectron with one of the many affiliate discount codes floating around, it’s … the same $185.

 

[F1Geek]

Is BMW going to give these chargers to people when available or gauge us for them?

Giving a charger would be great. We do a portable one with the car. Adapters for J3400/CCS1 connection will most likely not be free.

 

[Yuppie Scum]

This is the company that charges you $4000 for a couple stick on M logos. The adapters will not be free.

 

[bbgator]

They will not be free, but I doubt they will be more expensive than the competition. It looks like all automakers are around the $200 range. I don't see any incentive for them to discount them or give them for free. Ford, Rivian, and Hyundai gave them for free. But just like hotels, the more you pay for a hotel room, the less tangibles it comes with.

It looks like their cost for these adapters is high. At $150-200, I doubt they are making any significant money on it. They probably buy from Tesla around $140 and the remainder of the markup goes to the dealer. The connectors alone are probably more than 1/2 the cost.

 

[I4Man]

Giving a charger would be great. We do a portable one with the car. Adapters for J3400/CCS1 connection will most likely not be free.

Meant to say adaptor…. 😆

 

[bbgator]

Adapter is correct since he is from the USA. If he was brit, then it would be Adaptor.

 

[xyrBimmer]

I doubt they’ll be free, but it’s a competitive marketplace for adapters.
For example, the Porsche adapter is just this:

Lectron NACS to CCS Adapter with Interlock | Vortex Plus | 500A | 1,000V | UL 2252 Certified | Compatible with Tesla Superchargers

*SHIPS WITHIN 1 - 2 WORKING DAYS ACCESS TESLA SUPERCHARGERS NATIONWIDE - Unlock 23,500+ V3 and V4 Tesla Superchargers. This NACS to CCS adapter enables non-Tesla EVs with Supercharger access to easily connect to the Tesla fast charging network FIRST UL 2252 CERTIFIED ADAPTER - The Vortex Plus is...

ev-lectron.com

… but with a Porsche logo.
Porsche charges $185 for owners of pre-2024 Taycans.
If you buy it directly from Lectron with one of the many affiliate discount codes floating around, it’s … the same $185.

Once again, I think my adapter is a good approximation of what we'll see when it hits retail. Group buy details will follow (not really)

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[Jonathan S.]

They probably buy from Tesla around $140 and the remainder of the markup goes to the dealer.

My impression is that only a minority of the various OEM adapters are made by Tesla.

 

[F1Geek]

My impression is that only a minority of the various OEM adapters are made by Tesla.

Yes, looks like Lectron has the lion's share of OEM adapters, and now UL2252 approved, too.

 

[cruzer666]

I doubt they’ll be free, but it’s a competitive marketplace for adapters.
For example, the Porsche adapter is just this:

Lectron NACS to CCS Adapter with Interlock | Vortex Plus | 500A | 1,000V | UL 2252 Certified | Compatible with Tesla Superchargers

*SHIPS WITHIN 1 - 2 WORKING DAYS ACCESS TESLA SUPERCHARGERS NATIONWIDE - Unlock 23,500+ V3 and V4 Tesla Superchargers. This NACS to CCS adapter enables non-Tesla EVs with Supercharger access to easily connect to the Tesla fast charging network FIRST UL 2252 CERTIFIED ADAPTER - The Vortex Plus is...

ev-lectron.com

… but with a Porsche logo.
Porsche charges $185 for owners of pre-2024 Taycans.
If you buy it directly from Lectron with one of the many affiliate discount codes floating around, it’s … the same $185.

Difference is you’re not allowed to use the same price Lectron adapter at the Tesla Supercharger right? Based on Tesla policy/terms of use that is.

Why still advocate using a non authorized adapter given it’s the same price or more than an authorized OEM adapter ?

 

[I4Man]

Well, hopefully we will have an option that’s approved by the end of the year or early next year.

 

[bbgator]

Difference is you’re not allowed to use the same price Lectron adapter at the Tesla Supercharger right? Based on Tesla policy/terms of use that is.

I agree with your point! I probably will only use the BMW approved adapter. I wouldn't recommend or buying an Lectron adapter directly unless Tesla approves it. BUT...If I had a 2nd EV with a Tesla approved adapter, I would probably take the risk and use it on the BMW. Hard to believe the dealer can deny a warranty claim for using a Porsche adapter unless they can prove it cause the issue. That would go under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act in the USA. If you do damage to the Tesla supercharger...then I agree you'd be liable since you violated their terms.

There is also no reason to buy the Lectron adapter directly. Unless BMW puts an insane price tag on it, I'm buying the BMW version. So far prices have been similar.

 

[F1Geek]

I agree with your point! I probably will only use the BMW approved adapter. I wouldn't recommend or buying an Lectron adapter directly unless Tesla approves it. BUT...If I had a 2nd EV with a Tesla approved adapter, I would probably take the risk and use it on the BMW. Hard to believe the dealer can deny a warranty claim for using a Porsche adapter unless they can prove it cause the issue. That would go under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act in the USA. If you do damage to the Tesla supercharger...then I agree you'd be liable since you violated their terms.

There is also no reason to buy the Lectron adapter directly. Unless BMW puts an insane price tag on it, I'm buying the BMW version. So far prices have been similar.

I have seen the Magnuson-Moss argument mentioned by several posters, but I wonder if it's relevant here - I suspect it will take a lawsuit to truly know.

I believe Tesla hasn't approved any adapters but instead says use what the OEMs tell owners to use.

There is one advantage of using any adapter at a supercharger and that is you protect your car's vehicle inlet from any damage a broken connector may cause - I'd rather lose a $190 adapter than have to pay $1000s for damage to my car caused by an abused public charging station. Now I just need to get a BMW approved female CCS1/ male CCS1 adapter (not sure those exist yet) to protect my car at CCS1 stations.

 

[cruzer666]

There is one advantage of using any adapter at a supercharger and that is you protect your car's vehicle inlet from any damage a broken connector may cause - I'd rather lose a $190 adapter than have to pay $1000s for damage to my car caused by an abused public charging station. Now I just need to get a BMW approved female CCS1/ male CCS1 adapter (not sure those exist yet) to protect my car at CCS1 stations.

There isn’t one but always look at the DC pins on the CCS1 plug to make sure they are not dirty/corroded or look off in any way. I also used to check the latch but EA at least replaced the plastic latches on the CCS1 plugs with metal so that’s no longer an issue.