[RedTx28]

last time i checked, 2035 is still 12 years away - what was your cell phone like 12 years ago? what was your laptop/computer like 12 years ago - how much was a flat screen TV 12 years ago (or how flat was the flatscreen 12 yeras ago) ? I can go on - i have enough faith in humanity that we will have some kind of advancement in 12 years time. I assume that we will not live of the same grid, same transmission, same infrastructure in 12 years...

 

[Jumptheshark]

It's funny how Tucker always likes to bring up California's rolling black outs when ever he can but he never mentions Texas' power problems. I wonder why that is? 🤔

He has talked about Texas’ power problems quite a bit, actually.

Tucker goes off on rolling blackouts: 'Running out of energy in Texas is like starving to death at the grocery store'

Green energy technology is not advanced enough to replace more reliable fossil fuels and thus will create more blackouts in the future

www.bizpacreview.com

 

[gsbaker]

Much electricity these days is still generated by coal.
I remember seeing a news segment touting a GM electric car (I think!). And they were interviewing someone from the Electric Company in that area and he was asked how does his company create electricity.
He sheepishly replied "coal." So much for green energy!

Actually coal is still more efficient with less carbon than ICE engines.

And coal stations are being shut down all the time, except unfortunately for now in Europe.

For each station shut thousands of EVs suddenly become virtuous. Whereas ICE engines keep on burning carbon.

Are we preaching to the choir here? While there is coming an electrical crisis in Europe, it is due to war, not EVs.

I think we can agree on that

 

[Anxious]

My guess is Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson drives a Tesla. He is a very rich man, as he has inherited millions and just tries to convince his viewers that others are wrong and he is somehow right with zero facts or though put into it. True snake oil salesman. There are plenty of things to discuss on the EV proliferation but having Tucker in the mix is pointless as he not only doesn't care but doesn't want to be educated either.

So happy to see that at this point most on this thread thinks Carlson is a joke. Having said that. Can we please get back to our i4 basic, Msports and M50's and when our cars will arrive or for those who are lucky to have them already, let's see photos and reviews and helpful information.

 

[mas1982]

Fake news, don't bother watching anything on Fox News...

 

[dudley07726]

Fake news, don't bother watching anything on Fox News...

Someone remind Brian Stelter about what news is.

 

[m345]

Tucker should have retired to become a tomato farmer in some remote village after taking that taking that on air shellacking from Jon Stewart.

 

[DNichter]

While I would imagine there is some truth to whether or not our grids are prepared, I think that is challenge we as a country need to face and ultimately fix. Tuck's entire job is to create a false narrative against anything remotely seen as progressive and create fake rage for his viewers. Nothing meaningful to see here.

 

[dudley07726]

While I would imagine there is some truth to whether or not our grids are prepared, I think that is challenge we as a country need to face and ultimately fix. Tuck's entire job is to create a false narrative against anything remotely seen as progressive and create fake rage for his viewers. Nothing meaningful to see here.

What's the false narrative you are describing if you say there is some truth to the grids not being prepared?
I didn't start this thread to start a political war. I was just questioning what will happen if all these EV's come on line and some countries in Europe as well as CA are having issues with power now.

 

[Klaus-rf]

Tucker Carlson is a clown

who works for Fox-a-Ganda.

Much electricity these days is still generated by coal.
...
He sheepishly replied "coal." So much for green energy!

But now they are all using "Clean Coal", with zero CO2 emissions. Right? I think I read that somewhere a couple years back - or was it in a Superbowl ad? I've slept since then but I know Fox-A-Ganda solved that issue.

Last time I checked into it, electric power coming from coal was about 20% across the US (current search shows 21.8%). A yuuuge number of those historically coal-fired plants changed to CNG a long time ago.

 

[gsbaker]

Yea news entertainment can be entertaining... but that's all it is.

All seriousness we should be fighting all the misinformation and misplaced fear surrounding nuclear power.

5 Fast Facts about Spent Nuclear Fuel

Get up to speed with these five fast facts about spent nuclear fuel.

www.energy.gov

Without hysteria (three mile island, chernobyl) there are many good solutions.

I understand that Finland had inaugurated a long term interment site for their nuclear waste.

 

[DNichter]

What's the false narrative you are describing if you say there is some truth to the grids not being prepared?
I didn't start this thread to start a political war. I was just questioning what will happen if all these EV's come on line and some countries in Europe as well as CA are having issues with power now.

I am just saying he picks and chooses his "facts" to create a doom and gloom narrative for his viewers to get angry at liberals about. Regarding the potential truth of our grids not being prepared - I expect the experts to address the issue in the next 10 years. Tuck doesn't bring any value to the discussion.

 

[gsbaker]

What's the false narrative you are describing if you say there is some truth to the grids not being prepared?
I didn't start this thread to start a political war. I was just questioning what will happen if all these EV's come on line and some countries in Europe as well as CA are having issues with power now.

You are right, it will be a problem and must be dealt with.

That is best done without hate and blame.

We have all burned carbon and we can all cut back. In CA people will reduce their AC at home to be able to drive EVs. They know that already.

 

[northerncalguy]

I'm all for having a thoughtful discussion about the grid, our infrastructure (or lack of) and ideas for strengthening and improving them. It's not just California, see the threads about folks on this forum in states with like 2 fast chargers [exaggerating of course]. It's a global issue, beyond the US.

For EV adoption to be remotely meaningful, a diversity of base load source power is needed. Clean coal could be part of that mix, and nuclear as well.

The next major step is not source, though, it's how we consume and with what level of efficiency. I remember in the 90s, California began a major campaign on water fixtures and appliances, gradually reducing the GPM of toilets and faucets. You better believe that along with ban on ICE, that there's going to be a slate of new regs that say your AC can consume a max of 0.5 to 1.0kW and therefore necessitating a brand new category of affordable heat pump options [which are going to be offset by the new IRA legislation]. Some of that was rolled out with CA Title 24 regs regarding building practices.

It's going to take this and a lot of other policies to move the needle. If only we as a human race acted on this as if our way of living [enjoying forums and cars, especially] depended on it. If only...

As open-minded as I am, credibility of source material or opinions in this case, is number 1 on the list to vet and unfortunately said person referenced is on the do not trust column for many, along with a long list of politicians, activists, influencers, and some journalists - from all across the spectrum. The name alone is triggering and as expected you get gut level reactions. That's the real issue here...credibility. Lose it once, twice, maybe thrice and it'll take the moving of mountains to get it back.

I trust the majority of the people here to self moderate, so please continue the convo as long as it's respectful [not saying it hasn't been].

 

[Chris_ni]

It's an easy mistake to think of the power grid capacity as a constant number. Every grid, regardless of where you live, has peaks of consumption, and low usage periods (usually in the dead of night).
As much as increasing the peak capacity is an issue, there are methods of reducing the impact of charging EV's that can be taken relatively easily. For example, off peak charging incentives (eg. a lower electricity tariff at night) and localised generation (eg. Solar Panels for public charging) are two examples that are being utilised already.

For example, in the UK, one energy supplier will actually pay you when energy supply exceeds demand (which can happen at night due to the large volume of off-shore wind farms). So you can simply set your home charger to only charge during these off peak times, when the prices fall and in some cases actually pay you to charge (source: Introducing Agile Octopus: The 100% green smart tariff with Plunge Pricing)

It's also worth bearing in mind that ICE vehicles aren't immune to consumption demand issues. Just a couple of months ago we saw fuel prices sky rocket with panic buying and huge queues just to fill up.

 

[dudley07726]

You are right, it will be a problem and must be dealt with.

That is best done without hate and blame.

We have all burned carbon and we can all cut back. In CA people will reduce their AC at home to be able to drive EVs. They know that already.

I don't think I would be too comfortable turning my thermostat up to 80 or turning it off all together.

 

[gsbaker]

I don't think I would be too comfortable turning my thermostat up to 80 or turning it off all together.

I hear you and I also would not like it. But that is the situation today in CA, whatever happens in twelve years.

Another unhappy option is to raise electric rates until people cut back.

Discomfort motivates change. If people push more power plants will be built, solar, even nuclear.

I guess PG&E is not happy with blackouts. They will do their best to make it work.

and if they can't the regulation on EVs will be rescinded in a few years.

No big deal. That's what happens in politics

 

[dudley07726]

I hear you and I also would not like it. But that is the situation today in CA, whatever happens in twelve years.

Another unhappy option is to raise electric rates until people cut back.

Discomfort motivates change. If people push more power plants will be built, solar, even nuclear.

I guess PG&E is not happy with blackouts. They will do their best to make it work.

and if they can't the regulation on EVs will be rescinded in a few years.

No big deal. That's what happens in politics

Hasn't CA shut a nuclear power plant and looking to shutter another one?

 

[hubbl3]

You are right, it will be a problem and must be dealt with.

That is best done without hate and blame.

We have all burned carbon and we can all cut back. In CA people will reduce their AC at home to be able to drive EVs. They know that already.

But they most likely won’t have to. EV’s aren’t going to add much load at 2pm in the afternoon when the grid is hitting peak consumption.

Plugging your EV in at 8pm to charge over night when the grid has more than enough capacity isn’t likely to cause new problems

 

[northerncalguy]

Hasn't CA shut a nuclear power plant and looking to shutter another one?

There's momentum to prevent Diablo Canyon from shutting down in an effort to maintain grid diversity.