[ssh]

I've written Lectron to see what they have to say about this. I'm sure they'll technically be able to handle it, but they should indemnify users, too.

 

[kindofblue]

It will be interesting to see if the adapters Ford sends out for their Mach e owners will work with the i4 (for those of us who own both EVs of course)

 

[JToddK]

It will be interesting to see if the adapters Ford sends out for their Mach e owners will work with the i4 (for those of us who own both EVs of course)

I wouldn't expect Ford to supply some fancy adapter filled with "special sauce." The key will (IMHO) be how Tesla authorizes the car at the Supercharger.

 

[rollermonkey]

What are you talking about? I think the point @ssh was making is that Lectron already sells a CCS adapter for Teslas, and I pointed out it's not officially permitted by EVGo.

And that will prevent i4 drivers from using a SuperCharger?
Seems like some links missing in that logic chain.

 

[Jonathan S.]

That is just a CYA thing by EVgo. Nobody even noticed it until EA made an announcement with a similar restriction.
What will prevent i4 drivers from access to V3 and V4 Superchargers until 2025 is that authorization will almost certainly be through the Tesla app, and we will almost certainly still be restricted to only Magic Dock stations.

 

[rickysmith39]

That is just a CYA thing by EVgo. Nobody even noticed it until EA made an announcement with a similar restriction.
What will prevent i4 drivers from access to V3 and V4 Superchargers until 2025 is that authorization will almost certainly be through the Tesla app, and we will almost certainly still be restricted to only Magic Dock stations.

Yes but if I use my Mach e adapter and my account for my Mach e/Tesla supercharger. I should be able to use the same adapter and account to charge any vehicle with a CCS1 charger port.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Perhaps so! (TBD…)
And if so, I can buy the cheapest Bolt, put it up on blocks, and use the account for our i4 and Taycan 4CT.
(I might be serious about that!)

 

[JToddK]

And that will prevent i4 drivers from using a SuperCharger?
Seems like some links missing in that logic chain.

Depends on how Ford and Tesla do it. If you had a simple adapter today (just like the CCS to Tesla in common use), how would you use it? Sure, at a Magic Dock, you activate the charger through the "Charge My Non-Tesla" portion of the Tesla App. 'Course, you don't need an adapter there. AFAIK, Teslas using Superchargers authenticate with the charger. Anecdotally, that has caused some problems for rental Teslas - they arrive at a Supercharger and no account has been set up for the specific vehicle; no ability to charge as the vehicle is not recognized. The missing links are details about the implementation that have not yet been announced.

 

[JToddK]

Yes but if I use my Mach e adapter and my account for my Mach e/Tesla supercharger. I should be able to use the same adapter and account to charge any vehicle with a CCS1 charger port.

Maybe. The Mach E has something they call FordPass Plug & Charge. Unclear if that's true Vehicle to charger communication or if they implement it through the FordPass app. If vehicle ID is part of the Tesla communication stream (as it now is on non-Magic Dock stations) maybe only the authorized vehicle will work. If Tesla wants some kind of vehicle ID at their Superchargers, any car without Plug & Charge capability may be excluded, at least for now. For VW owners, their ID communication is a MAC address and that, in their implementation, is variable (security reasons). For the BMW i4, Plug & Charge is not available for vehicles produced before August 1, 2023. Unclear if it can be retrofitted.
( https://www.bmwusa.com/modals/plug-and-charge.html )
Edit add: seems like the 2023 id4 now supports P&C.1/23/2024

At some future date, Tesla may simply open their Supercharger network to any car that has an adapter (if needed) and an account, as they have done with their Magic Docks. For those that do not have agreements and especially for those cars that do not have Plug & Charge, that day may be a long time coming.

 

[LifeBelowZero]

And that will prevent i4 drivers from using a SuperCharger?
Seems like some links missing in that logic chain.

I don't know why you're being antagonistic here. All I said was that I encourage people to use approved adapters. I personally would not want to take the risk of a melted charger or worse simply because I was trying to save $100.

@ssh said he strongly believed Lectron would be approved, and they already sell a CCS adapter for Teslas. I pointed out that the Lectron CCS adapter for Teslas is not approved. In fact it violates the terms of service at EVGo. There's no reason to believe that Tesla will approve Lectron adapters to use at superchargers.

There's nothing I know of that will physically prevent you from using a 3rd party adapter. As I said, I personally would not want to take a chance on a rare but super expensive bill just to save a small amount on an adapter.

 

[rollermonkey]

Not being antagonistic, but rather just pointing out that you're making at least a few pessemistic assumptions about multiple companies to reach a conclusion that isn't certain.
Tesla might require you buy an adapter from them, instead of using one from a car manufacturer, or they may exclusively limit CCS charging to magic docks, and forbid all adapters, or they could do something else entirely. It's a company with Musk at the helm, making any assumptions at all there could be a fool's errend.
Then there's assumptions about fallibility of an adapter in the first place. A 50-cent fuse could be used to prevent damage on either side, or there may be no issue at all, and EVgo is being ridiculously and overly cautious.

Nobody's forcing you to buy anything today, and the one I pre-ordered may very well end up sitting unused under my trunk the entire time I own the thing. I'm OK with the financial bet I've made.

YMMV.

 

[Jonathan S.]

“[…] or they may exclusively limit CCS charging to magic docks, and forbid all adapters […]”

The announcements from the car manufacturers switching over to NACS receptacles have all referenced the plan for their existing CCS1 vehicles to gain access to the same number of Tesla Superchargers via driver-owned adapters.

 

[JToddK]

“[…] or they may exclusively limit CCS charging to magic docks, and forbid all adapters […]”

The announcements from the car manufacturers switching over to NACS receptacles have all referenced the plan for their existing CCS1 vehicles to gain access to the same number of Tesla Superchargers via driver-owned adapters.

Hopeful, but still concerned. The BMW announcement to go to NACS was issued in October, 2023. The Plug & Charge capability for the i4 is only available in cars built after Aug. 1, 2023. Should Tesla Superchargers continue to require vehicle ID in a foreseeable future, earlier BMW i4 builds may have to wait for a global opening of the network. It's on Tesla's (unannounced) timeline and I'm never confident in their meeting dates.

 

[Magicrat]

@JToddK I hope you are wrong about this as I have an i4, July 2022 build, so I don't have any Plug and Charge capability. If you are right, it might be a very long time before my i4 has full access to the Tesla Supercharger network.........I guess that's what I get for being one of the early adopters of the i4. 😕

 

[ssh]

Let's wait to be disappointed until we see how it plays out. I suspect this will be handled in the Tesla app.

 

[Jonathan S.]

By 2025 the TSCN V3 and V4 access will be available for all CCS1 EV models since no holdouts will be left to exclude.

 

[tonyquan]

I actually don't understand why anyone would buy a NACS to CCS adapter now when there's no guarantee what's being sold will actually work with a Supercharger. Seems like potentially throwing money away. Why not wait a few months when this should get more fleshed out? I don't get it.

 

[rollermonkey]

Because it was $200 and the functionally identical one with a pretty BMW rondel slapped on could easily be $500?
Or $600, if you want the M-branded version.

Or do people believe that BMW would not do such a thing? I could still cancel my order...

 

[tonyquan]

Because it was $200 and the functionally identical one with a pretty BMW rondel slapped on could easily be $500?
Or $600, if you want the M-branded version.

Or do people believe that BMW would not do such a thing? I could still cancel my order...

But wouldn't it still be $200 cheaper nine, ten months from now when the compatibility situation is more certain? Being the early adopter doesn't always work out.

 

[rollermonkey]

But wouldn't it still be $200 cheaper nine, ten months from now when the compatibility situation is more certain? Being the early adopter doesn't always work out.

Says one pre-OCT22 build owner to another.
😉
With the way prices on virtually everything in the US are climbing these days?

As soon as the situation is less murky, it will go from a 3-month pre-ordered to a 3 mo th back-order.

I'm always a pessimist. If I'm wrong, I get a happy surprise. If I'm right, I get to have been right. Win-win for me!
😀