[rickysmith39]

Mine will ship within 10 days.
So excited.

 

[JToddK]

I've written Lectron to see what they have to say about this. I'm sure they'll technically be able to handle it, but they should indemnify users, too.

In the unlikely event of damage to the charger caused by an adapter, it would get interesting. We do see Charger T&C's that put responsibility on the user. With or without Lectron indemnification, the charger company would/could seek to subrogate -everyone looks for deeper pockets. If it's only your car, that should be between you and Lectron, but they could deflect that you used the adapter where prohibited by the charge supplier. Messy.

 

[Jonathan S.]

By the time our turn comes in 2025, these adapters will be available for as little as half the price, with next-day shipping from Amazon, just like the adapters for the reverse.
Until then, I'm baffled at the point of buying something that is almost guaranteed to be unusable for us until about a year from now.
(And if we did get access before then, Amazon will deliver one to me the next day.)

 

[LifeBelowZero]

In the unlikely event of damage to the charger caused by an adapter, it would get interesting. We do see Charger T&C's that put responsibility on the user. With or without Lectron indemnification, the charger company would/could seek to subrogate -everyone looks for deeper pockets. If it's only your car, that should be between you and Lectron, but they could deflect that you used the adapter where prohibited by the charge supplier. Messy.

This is what I'm saying. It makes no sense to save a few dollars on an unsupported adapter, even if it's "functionally equivalent" to the BMW one. It definitely doesn't make sense to pre-order one a year before you could potentially use it.

 

[ssh]

Some people see it differently and plan differently, and it’s part of what makes the world go ‘round.

 

[gsbaker]

@JToddK I hope you are wrong about this as I have an i4, July 2022 build, so I don't have any Plug and Charge capability. If you are right, it might be a very long time before my i4 has full access to the Tesla Supercharger network.........I guess that's what I get for being one of the early adopters of the i4. 😕

Why the despair?

plug and play would save you about 15 seconds per charging session ( see my post above).

 

[cruzer666]

I bought led puddle lights for my i4 6 months before my car was delivered. My car got delivered and the lights were incompatible because BMW decided to remove the puddle lights all together. I returned the led puddle lights. World moved on.

People like to buy things before they can use them.

 

[gsbaker]

In the unlikely event of damage to the charger caused by an adapter, it would get interesting. We do see Charger T&C's that put responsibility on the user. With or without Lectron indemnification, the charger company would/could seek to subrogate -everyone looks for deeper pockets. If it's only your car, that should be between you and Lectron, but they could deflect that you used the adapter where prohibited by the charge supplier. Messy.

The idea of using a forbidden adapter terrifies and excites me!

😉

 

[Magicrat]

Why the despair?

plug and play would save you about 15 seconds per charging session ( see my post above).

I am not concerned about plug and play, the time savings is insignificant. I'm more worried that there could be some coding that will not allow this age of vehicle (early 22 models) to charge using an Tesla approved adapter. We'll just have to see how this plays out.

 

[gsbaker]

I am not concerned about plug and play, the time savings is insignificant. I'm more worried that there could be some coding that will not allow this age of vehicle (early 22 models) to charge using an Tesla approved adapter. We'll just have to see how this plays out.

My car is as old, so let us keep hoping

 

[rickysmith39]

I am not concerned about plug and play, the time savings is insignificant. I'm more worried that there could be some coding that will not allow this age of vehicle (early 22 models) to charge using an Tesla approved adapter. We'll just have to see how this plays out.

After gathering all the info I can to this point.
Please correct any wrong info in this post, I'm not a Wikipedia.
Just general numbers and guesses below.
It's looking like Tesla charger versions 1 and 2 will never work for anything but Tesla.
Tesla may leave it that way as a small perk to Tesla buyers.
But after all the new installs with tax credits are completed, they will probably swing back around to update the older version chargers.
Tesla has little incentive to update their older chargers right now, or even over the next 5 years.
It's a race to install the most chargers and get the tax incentives.
Even though it appeared Tesla had allot of chargers before they started version 3 and 4 chargers, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers of chargers being installed today. 235 fast chargers "CCS1 and NACS" per day for the next 5 years. I believe Tesla currently has 25% of all the fast chargers today.
I believe Tesla is planning to charge higher prices for non Tesla, but there is no way to charge Tesla drivers higher fees at non Tesla chargers.
If you want to see only Tesla chargers that will be available with this adapter, go to ChargePoint and sort NACS connectors 250kw and above. Today it wipes out about half the Tesla chargers. But in a few years Tesla will have added so many version 3 and 4 chargers, that level 1 and 2 chargers will be less than 10% of the Tesla chargers out there. At that point Tesla may circle back and upgrade those older chargers.

 

[Jonathan S.]

The generations before V3 and V4 do not support CCS communication protocols.
Often Tesla has not replaced V2 chargers but has instead just added V3 chargers at the same site.

 

[Jonathan S.]

I am not concerned about plug and play, the time savings is insignificant. I'm more worried that there could be some coding that will not allow this age of vehicle (early 22 models) to charge using an Tesla approved adapter. We'll just have to see how this plays out.

I doubt that will happen since that would prevent access by many CCS1 vehicles from other marques.

 

[rickysmith39]

@JToddK I hope you are wrong about this as I have an i4, July 2022 build, so I don't have any Plug and Charge capability. If you are right, it might be a very long time before my i4 has full access to the Tesla Supercharger network.........I guess that's what I get for being one of the early adopters of the i4. 😕

After gathering all the info I can to this point.
Please correct any wrong info in this post, I'm not a Wikipedia.
Just general numbers and guesses below.
It's looking like Tesla charger versions 1 and 2 will never work for anything but Tesla.
Tesla may leave it that way as a small perk to Tesla buyers.
But after all the new installs with tax credits are completed, they will probably swing back around to update the older version chargers.
Tesla has little incentive to update their older chargers right now, or even over the next 5 years.
It's a race to install the most chargers and get the tax incentives.
Even though it appeared Tesla had allot of chargers before they started version 3 and 4 chargers, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers of chargers being installed today. 235 fast chargers "CCS1 and NACS" per day for the next 5 years. I believe Tesla currently has 25% of all the fast chargers today.
I believe Tesla is planning to charge higher prices for non Tesla, but there is no way to charge Tesla drivers higher fees at non Tesla chargers.
If you want to see only Tesla chargers that will be available with this adapter, go to PlugShare and sort NACS connectors 250kw and above. Today it wipes out about half the Tesla chargers. But in a few years Tesla will have added so many version 3 and 4 chargers, that level 1 and 2 chargers will be less than 10% of the Tesla chargers out there. At that point Tesla may circle back and upgrade those older chargers

 

[tonyquan]

After gathering all the info I can to this point.
Please correct any wrong info in this post, I'm not a Wikipedia.
Just general numbers and guesses below.
It's looking like Tesla charger versions 1 and 2 will never work for anything but Tesla.
Tesla may leave it that way as a small perk to Tesla buyers.
But after all the new installs with tax credits are completed, they will probably swing back around to update the older version chargers.
Tesla has little incentive to update their older chargers right now, or even over the next 5 years.
It's a race to install the most chargers and get the tax incentives.
Even though it appeared Tesla had allot of chargers before they started version 3 and 4 chargers, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers of chargers being installed today. 235 fast chargers "CCS1 and NACS" per day for the next 5 years. I believe Tesla currently has 25% of all the fast chargers today.
I believe Tesla is planning to charge higher prices for non Tesla, but there is no way to charge Tesla drivers higher fees at non Tesla chargers.
If you want to see only Tesla chargers that will be available with this adapter, go to PlugShare and sort NACS connectors 250kw and above. Today it wipes out about half the Tesla chargers. But in a few years Tesla will have added so many version 3 and 4 chargers, that level 1 and 2 chargers will be less than 10% of the Tesla chargers out there. At that point Tesla may circle back and upgrade those older chargers

One point, Tesla does have some incentive to replace Gen 1 and 2 chargers, as you mentioned these only support lower power delivery, so even for their own customers moving these to Gen 3 or higher provides benefit.

 

[rickysmith39]

I'm guessing Tesla will only collect on the tax incentives if the charger is accessible to all EVs.

 

[JToddK]

I'm guessing Tesla will only collect on the tax incentives if the charger is accessible to all EVs.

There are nuances, but: " EV charging stations must be non-proprietary, allow for open-access payment methods, be publicly available or..." from Alternative Fuels Data Center: National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program

They can have NACS, but "...each DCFC charging port has at least one permanently attached Combined Charging System (CCS) Type 1 connector and is capable of charging a CCS-compliant vehicle." From National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program Q&A - Resources - NEVI - Environment - FHWA

 

[Jonathan S.]

One point, Tesla does have some incentive to replace Gen 1 and 2 chargers, as you mentioned these only support lower power delivery, so even for their own customers moving these to Gen 3 or higher provides benefit.

Yes, but Tesla's practice at V2-only stations seems to be just adding onto the station with add'l chargers that are V3, rather than bothering to replace the older V2 chargers.
Either way though, it's a win for all!

The Urban Superchargers stations though might be easy neither to replace nor augment since the power delivery there could be constrained (hence why those sites are still at only 72kW).

 

[Jonathan S.]

I'm guessing Tesla will only collect on the tax incentives if the charger is accessible to all EVs.

Yes, but Tesla isn't installing new V2 chargers anyway, regardless of tax incentives.

 

[Wunsch]

The generations before V3 and V4 do not support CCS communication protocols.
Often Tesla has not replaced V2 chargers but has instead just added V3 chargers at the same site.

Is there a visual difference between the V3 chargers and older ones? I know V4 looks completely different, but I don't know enough about the Tesla world to know if the older ones are easily identifiable. That will become important for us when visiting sites like that with a mixture, because we will have to make sure to pull up to the newer V3 stalls at that site.