I'm (hopefully) not anywhere near the need to have the battery replaced on my 2023 i4, but has anyone done so, and if so, how expensive was it to replace the battery?
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2nd hand battery for i4 - NOK 220000 is USD 22000
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for i3 - USD 800 - 6250
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I wonder how that works? There is a link to a dismantler. Battery is really hard to remove and transport. I'm not going to go to the junk yard with my socket set and get the battery. You really need the whole car for a day or two to put on a lift and have a real garage that has a lift. With a gas car anyone can remove an engine with a cheap lift engine lift in a residential garage, but a battery...I'd want a real commercial auto garage.
For most people there is no reason to change/move to EV. If you take environmental reasons and novelty out, it isn't that compelling. Expensive new tech that may save you money on most peoples 2nd largest purchase. There is a risk with anything new and a lot are just waiting it out. Outside of the luxury market and most people don't buy cars that often. I wanted a Tesla in 2014, but waited till 2022 to buy an EV.
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I don't think you will be allowed to unmount it yourself.
They will do it - when they have a buyer.
Another interesting think : all parts total price approx NOK 400000/USD 40000
Value as a 2nd hand car without damage now is approx NOK 600000/USD 60000
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They will do it - when they have a buyer.
Another interesting think : all parts total price approx NOK 400000/USD 40000
Value as a 2nd hand car without damage now is approx NOK 600000/USD 60000
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It’s pretty compelling to not ever goto the gas station again, having your fueling station at home, for a car that costs a fraction to fuel. And for a daily, EV is a better option all the way around.
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Tesla prides themselves on their low cost manufacturing. Today, we see it in fit, finish and assembly quality, especially when volume was ramping . The Tesla groups often talk about things just coming loose where adhesive processes appear poorly controlled. With limited manufacturing process control experience, it's tough to do things cheap, fast and well. (Old Engineering saying: faster, better, cheaper; pick two.) Electronics are generally reliable today, if properly specified for the environment and good supplier control is in place. (I do note there were stories about Tesla buying commercial rather than automotive grade touch screens, but that's only one component.).
My bet is on basic car stuff wear out - suspension components, hubs, bearings, paint, along with even more rattles and lose stuff. Gee, it's a mass market car.
I fail to see how anyone who has driven or owned an EV can't find compelling reasons to own one. They're amazingly better than ICE vehicles in almost every way; and the ways they aren't are mostly a matter of infrastructure – which will eventually be a solved problem – not of EVs themselves.
I'm honestly wondering why someone who doesn't see a compelling reason to own an EV bought one in the first place.
Sounds like something a super rich person would say about a Lambo. More than driving dynamics to sell a car. Kia and Toyota sell a lot of cars that drive like crap...and sell millions of them.
I think we are in our own echo chambers. Everyone in this forum is into EVs. BEVs in May were about 6.8% of US new cars sales and 12.6% globally. If they were really that compelling they would be 95% of new cars. My mom believes Mercedes Benz is the best car and why would anyone want something else and doesn't understand why someone would buy a Honda. I expect EVs to completely take over the Luxury market where people have more money to gamble on new tech. If the first wave of EVs are reliable, then I'd expect it to trickle down to the mainstream. With 6.8% sales, I don't think they are mainstream yet. Even a Chevy Bolt is a very small car for the price.
I hear a lot of people on these forums think it is Infrastructure that holds back EVs. Since I mainly see EVs in cities where people live in apartments and I've gone on many road trips without issue. I don't think it is the main thing holding people back. People don't like change and need a very compelling reason to change. EVs are luxury cars.
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This Country Leads The Way In EVs Sales By A Large Margin
Electric cars are gaining market share around the globe, but one country is seeing rapid growth, with all new vehicles going electric as soon as 2025.
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I don’t believe any US BEV car sold in the US offers more than the federal mandate, so before you diss BMW do a little research.
FWIW, I had a 2nd gen Prius battery fail (one of the cells went bad) just outside the warranty period (which was similar). Aftermarket rebuild was readily available and had twice the warranty period of the dealer replacement. Of course, that battery was much easier to access and replace.
I also had an Audi that burned oil like crazy at only 60K miles.
BMW (and Audi and Mercedes) are not known for reliability. If you want a nice, boring reliable car, get a Toyota ICE. 😉
You are in the USA, right? Most people in “cities” actually live/rent in suburbs and many with garages…at least the people who need a car to commute because public transportation is so dismal.
While change is hard, money talks. I know first hand many people who bought EVs due to attractive prices and charging perks. The fueling math on a 2-3 year lease if you have a decent commute is a no brainer - especially if you get free charging. I actually drove for free on a lease that cost me less than gas for an ICE car.
Infrastructure absolutely holds people back. If you have an apartment without charging life sucks. If you want to take a road trip life sucks. If you are buying a commute car and have access to an overnight charging station life is good…and cheaper. Especially if that commute is long.
Please stop with all your false equivalencies. EVs are available as “cheap” (new) cars, not just from BMW and not just luxury. EVs are not exclusively for the rich. As noted above, entry level EVs are “free” after calculating for gas if you have a decent commute…Especially in California where gas is consistently above $5/gal.
Leasing a new (lower range commute) EV for 3 years cost me nothing (vs $250+ monthly petrol costs). Nothing is certainly not only affordable by the “rich”/luxury market. Fiat 500e is still available in the US. For a while you could lease them for $100/mo.
You can argue whether or not peoples' perceptions are realistic or not, but all I know is that the first objection/concern virtually every person I talk to about EVs (who doesn't already own one) expresses is range and charging. Even if you think that the charging infrastructure is adequate – and I'd strongly disagree – that's not the common perception, and that's what has to be overcome.
Tesla Model S and X provide longer battery warranties then required by law. Link provided in previous post. I don't think infrastructure is adequate, I just don't think it is the MAIN thing holding people back. It is definitely in the top 3 or 4 reasons and I agree it is the one people say the most. It is the easiest answer vs saying I don't like change or worried out long term battery life or something else that an EV enthusiast would fight against. EVs have low sales numbers with huge incentives and most manufactures are not making much money on each car. EV sales are growing and EVs are here to stay...no FUD.
The subject of replacing batteries is still a concern for a lot. Chance is really low, but not zero. People want to know the worst case cost even if it is unlikely. I'm slightly concerned about the i4 in hot climates since it doesn't appear to cool the batteries when it is parked like Tesla does. Nissan Leaf's didn't fair well in hot climates do to the lack of thermal control. I think I've mitigated most of the potential damage by keeping my SoC low (30%-50%) during the hottest times, but there still is a lot of unknowns that can scare people that are cannot take risk like I can. EV leases are popular now because the reduce the risk to the consumer and you can get incentives. On gas cars, leasing is usually the most expensive way to own a car since you typically only own during the peak depreciation of a car. We will never agree, and that is okay.
I apologize about this tangent. Let's get back to the topic of replacement batteries.
The subject of replacing batteries is still a concern for a lot. Chance is really low, but not zero. People want to know the worst case cost even if it is unlikely. I'm slightly concerned about the i4 in hot climates since it doesn't appear to cool the batteries when it is parked like Tesla does. Nissan Leaf's didn't fair well in hot climates do to the lack of thermal control. I think I've mitigated most of the potential damage by keeping my SoC low (30%-50%) during the hottest times, but there still is a lot of unknowns that can scare people that are cannot take risk like I can. EV leases are popular now because the reduce the risk to the consumer and you can get incentives. On gas cars, leasing is usually the most expensive way to own a car since you typically only own during the peak depreciation of a car. We will never agree, and that is okay.
I apologize about this tangent. Let's get back to the topic of replacement batteries.
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Including spare tires with rim and all windows, seats and many other fully usable things...2nd hand battery for i4 - NOK 220000 is USD 22000
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I disagree, there is more to it than environmental reasons and novelty, or maybe the novelty value never wears off for me. Ever since we bought the Leaf for my wife back in 2018, I was envious and loved electric driving, but not the Leaf. Initially I bought the 330e which was a joy to ride to work with, because the battery lasted to and from work. I decided that when I retire I want an EV so I can drive 100% electric, and the best I could find for my taste was the i4. I got my car delivered about six months before retiring, the commuting part was about the same joy as with the 330e, but the rest is a different story... My wife drives an EV6 now, and all I can say that if I would need a new car today, it would be the i4, EV6, ID7 or the IONIQ 5, or maybe I'd look around again at what's available today which is not Chinese, but regardless of which, it would be an EV. The benefits are more than "environment and novelty", I love the fact that I have my own "petrol station" on my drive way and can drive in a quiet cabin even at highway speeds. I also love the instant torque, which was great even in the Leaf, but of course, not comparable with the other cars. Anyway, there is no way I go back to ICE, that's for sure, and if we could not afford two EVs we would have only one, since technically, I don't need a car any more so we could manage with only one if we had to.
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Might be - but the BMW EV´s are in my experience much more reliable than any other car, I know, including Toyotas (That have a lot of issues with the EV's).
BMW i3 - 120000 km, no issues - except for worn front brake pads and tires.
BMW i4M50 - 47000 km, no issues - after replacement of front motor before delivery.
Gives confidence in BMW Tech. Battery replacements under factory warranty are going to be extremely rare.
120,000 km isn't enough to tell reliability. I would hope you haven't had any issues. Most Toyotas and Hondas can easily do 250,000 KM before anything past standard fluid changes and batteries are needed. You had a brake job on an EV!! I assume you do a lot of city driving.
Remember when 75,000 miles was more than enough to know if you had a clunker?
I agree -- if you reach 75k miles all first owner driven, without major faults you're probably OK.
Age is important too...because other things start to deteriorate at X years, so it's not just the mileage.
People on average are keeping their cars longer [source] though, so we need a lot more long term data tracking BEVs from the various manufacturers.
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